Catch and Release

[King Rat]

pontotoc said:

cntryldyx3 said:

This will probably get deleted but here goes.I have the perfect punishment for child molesters.
1.Strip them of all their clothes.
2.Pour syrup,honey,or both all over them,giving special application to the crotch area.
3.Tie them standing spread eagle and immobile over a bed of fireants.
4.Walk away and don't look back.
BTW,I do have a reason for feeling this way

I know where a field is that has ant hills about 6 feet high in Lafayette county!

I can't imagine a case where a hill more than three feet would be needed. ;D

[granny2young]

pontotoc said:

I talked with a man who deals with the scum we are talking about. And he said that re-hab and counseling worked 2% of the time. So 98% of the time they continue ,at some point, back into a molester. I couldn't do his work and talk to the slimeballs like he does trying to reform them. He also said nearly all of them claim to be molested as children and are repeating the pattern. Which I think is a cop-out. I know of people who had the worse childhood ever and they don't repeat the pattern.

maybe u should post this man's name so that folks looking for that sort of treatment for a loved one can avoid him. If he only has a 2% success rate he is not helping at all. The average national norm is high 80s for success rate of rehabilitation (last figures I researched.) I agree that about half of the sex offenders are probably monsters, but about half are falsely labeled because of an entirely different category, yet still falls in the sex offender list.

[veronica35]

Most true paedophiles see themselves as actually helping a child. They truly believe that the child wants what they are giving. Sick I know. That is why they are very hard to reform because they don't see what they are doing as wrong.
As a mother, I've made it my business to research the minds of these predators!

[Pontotocmom]

What did they expect? I don't think he should be charged. The prison knew of the threats and they let him remain in the same unit. He had better count himself lucky that all the cousin did was tatoo him.


An inmate accused of forcibly tattooing a slain 10-year-old girl's name onto her killer's forehead in an Indiana prison was the victim's cousin, a family friend said.

Jared Harris, 22, is a cousin of Katlyn "Katie" Collman, family friend and spokesman Terry Gray confirmed to The Republic newspaper. He said he did not believe they knew each other well.

Harris, 22, who is serving time on a burglary conviction at Wabash Valley state prison in Carlisle, has been charged with battery and is accused of tattooing "KATIE'S REVENGE" across Anthony Ray Stockelman's forehead.

[Pontotocmom]

Granny2young, we will have to agree to disagree on this issue. I don't believe that a sex offender can be rehabilitated. And I can find the proof to back it up. I'm not talking about the ones who slept with a teenager and she was 16 and he was 20. Or divorce cases where someone tells their child "daddy hurt you" I am talking about a man or woman who goes and molests and rapes a child or the boy scout leader who took that position to get close to little boys. Or the youth leader at a church who gets everyones trust so he can later abuse that trust and children too. Or the preacher/priest who talks a little boy/girl into beliving they are in love. Or the pervert who "falls in love" with a stranger he sees in the grocery store. Them are the people who shouldn't be given a second chance to re-molest. We can bat around all day about Jimbo in love with Sally Sue and Jimbo is now in jail. Or little Johnny's mom said horrible things about little Johnny's dad. I know people are falsely accused. But for the ones to go to re-hab and pop back into society just to re-offend. They shouldn't of had the chance to re-offend. With this issue, I believe one strike you are out.

[granny2young]

I would love to see your "proof" to back it up that offenders can never be rehabilitated. With God anything is possible. I have studied cases and statistics where there have been countless successful rehabilitations of ex-offenders. One I know is currently a child advocate fighting for children's rights who are charged with adult crimes. The last study I read quoted on average in the high 80 percent of offenders WHO ACTIVELY SOUGHT AND WANTED HELP never reoffended and lived a very productive life in society.

[Pontotocmom]

Here you go:

While early childhood experiences may impel, they do not compel. In the end, evil is a matter of choice. Sociopaths can learn to project a veneer of civilization—for predators, it is part of their camouflage—but they will always lack the ability to feel any pain but their own, pursuing only self-gratification. Not all sociopaths choose sexual violence. For some, the outlet can be political or economic skullduggery. But those for whom blood or pain is the stimulus act no less efficiently and at a terrible and unacceptable cost.

Some predatory sociopaths can be deterred. None can be rehabilitated, since they cannot return to a state that never existed. The concept of coercive therapy is a contradiction; successful psychiatric treatment requires participants, not mere recipients. What makes sexual predators so intractable and dangerous is that, as Mr. Dodd candidly acknowledged, they like what they do and intend to keep doing it.

The obsession of sexual predators is typified in the case of Donald Chapman, a New Jersey rapist who was released in November after serving 12 years, the maximum for his crime. He underwent continual therapy in prison, and was utterly unaffected by it. He vows to continue to attack women—a threat that reflects his total absorption with sexual torture. As a result of his threat, he sits in his house in Wyckoff, N.J., surrounded by a 24-hour police guard.

A 1992 study of 767 rapists and child molesters in Minnesota found those who completed psychiatric treatment were arrested more often for new sex crimes than those who had not been treated at all. A Canadian survey that tracked released child molesters for 20 years revealed a 43 percent recidivism rate regardless of the therapy. The difference between those simply incarcerated and those subjected to a full range of treatments appears statistically negligible. And the more violent and sadistic the offense, the more likely it is to be repeated.

Another factor that thwarts rehabilitation is the need for offenders to seek higher and higher levels of stimulation. There is no observable waning of their desires over time: sexual predators do not outgrow their behavior. Thus, while most sadistic sex offenders are not first arrested for homicide, they may well try to murder someone in the future.
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Andrew Vachss: Essentially, I would raise the stakes. Right now, it's a cheap buy-in, a very low-risk activity. There's something nuts about a country that will give you a life sentence for possession of a piece of cocaine and give you probation for sodomizing your child and filming it for sale. After that, there's a whole number of sub-issues such as a national registry for convicted child molesters. The elimination of the nonsensical "rehabilitation" programs which suck huge sums of money out of the budget and don't return us anything. More advanced training for social workers who are now required to make the investigations. Combination police-social worker teams, instead of saying one does rehab and the other does investigation, which is crazy. The elimination of the schizophrenic role of social workers who are supposed to rehabilitate perpetrators and protect victims which is an impossible role to be in.

Sober Times: You have a pretty low regard for the possibility of rehabilitating perpetrators.

Andrew Vachss: I don't have any regard for the possibility, because I don't consider it to be a valid one. You have to distinguish abusers; there are essentially three types. There are the inadequate—people who simply don't know how to parent. A prototypical example is a 12-year-old with a baby of her own. An alcoholic is a perfectly good example. They may be the best-meaning parent in the world, but people who smoke in bed when they're drunk are a danger to every kid. Then they have low frustration levels, and things like that. Inadequates, I believe, are absolutely amenable to rehabilitation, and very successfully so. Then there are crazies—and I mean card-carrying, legitimate crazies—who are parents, like schizophrenics and such. People like that benefit to the extent psychiatry's got a response to their particular disorder. So we're real good with obsessive-compulsives and real lousy with schizophrenics when it comes to protecting kids from them. The third category is where me and the social workers part company. And that's people who are evil—people who hurt children for their own pleasure or their own profit. People who have sex with children. And to talk about rehabilitation in the same breath with such people is ludicrous. There is absolutely no evidence that any of them have ever been rehabilitated. The current cutting-edge thought is that you can't rehabilitate them but you can give them some sort of internal controls.
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May 05, 2006 9:51 PM
Isabella said...
I would get a gun and a dog! And be very afraid! The dog will bark and warn you in time to load and aim your gun- right between his legs. When is the criminal justice system going to get serious about these creeps and keep them locked up for life? When it comes to sexual offenses, I believe one strike and you are out-forever. Rapists and child molesters can not be rehabilitated. I worked with these offenders when I worked as a mental health therapists. Most people who have worked with them will tell you the same- treatment does not work for these guys- they will always be a danger as long as they are allowed out into our society. We have to wake up and do whatever needs done to keep them from getting their hands on another child or the rapist attacks another woman. They seem to have no problem finding the creep after he has ruined a child, but then they let them back out again after their short sentence and they are soon out offending again. This has got to stop. We women should orgnaize and make the justice system make changes in the sentecing of these dregs of society. This issue really is personal to me and could go and on, but I will spare you and get off my rant. Just be careful!
Linda- Isabella's human

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[King Rat]

veronica35 said:

Most true pedophile see themselves as actually helping a child. They truly believe that the child wants what they are giving. Sick I know. That is why they are very hard to reform because they don't see what they are doing as wrong.
As a mother, I've made it my business to research the minds of these predators!

You are exactly right. NAMBLA (National Man Boy Love Association) contends that child molestation (they call it "adult-child sex) HELPS a child and that the thing a 13 year old boy needs most in his life is a sexual relationship with an adult male. NAMBLA is positioning itself as the next "gay rights" movement and is using their playbook. For starters, they are trying to force the term "adult-child sex" on us in place of "child molestation" and "pedophile". When they get their way (and that depends on them getting democrats elected) it will be as politically incorrect to use those terms as it is now to use the "N word". Speaking negatively of a child molestor will be as big a no-no as speaking negatively of a queer.

[Pontotocmom]

Jesse Timmendequas
Kenneth Parnell
John Evander Couey
Joseph Edward Duncan
Ernest Gagne
Alejandro Avila
Richard Steve Goldberg
Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller
Anthony Maini
Nathaniel Bar-Jonah
Steven Avery
Mark Hulett

Some of these are not re-offenders. But I believe they should be added anyway.

[granny2young]

now, try a different web site where someone who has a different opinion talks about the success rates.

[rutrow]

I side with Granny in that with God, all things are possible. That being said, the offender has to WANT to serve God with all his heart, mind, and soul.

Sexual desire in any form is a very strong drive and many people, not just pedophiles, fall into it quickly. Some people even seem to be defenseless in stopping themselves. Many pedophiles know that they are going to do it again once they get out. They actively seek out opportunity, and are much more careful about not getting caught. These people should never have the opportunity to lay eyes on children again.

In my opinion, and a very humble one at that on this subject, the offender has to be truthful with God, himself/herself, and his/her therapist if he is going to be successful in stop being a predator. He/she has got to want to be treated for sexual lust against minors, even if he/she has to go to the lengths of chemical castration. Not an easy decision to make, but if he/she is sincere in stopping, and they know within their hearts that they cannot stop on their own, then chemical castration very well may be a viable decision to be able to stay out of jail and perhaps do some good in society.

[Pontotocmom]

granny2young said:

now, try a different web site where someone who has a different opinion talks about the success rates.

Granny, I would except I don't know ANY success rates. They may not of been caught again, but success no. I saw where people waited 20 years or better before they gave in. Now I think if they are god-fearing people they May not re offend. I just will not trust a child molester. period. We can go back and forth all day. My opinion won't change and yours won't change. So like I said we will have to agree to disagree on this issue. I'm not saying you are wrong.......but I'm sure not saying you are right. There is nothing lower in my mind than someone who would betray the trust of a child. Thats my opinion.....

[TF Admin]

TRUST! That is the keyword here. Whether it be trust in God, trust in other's, or trust of a child. When I look into my little girl's eyes, I see her innocence. It melts my heart, but it also burdens my heart as well. I know what is to come as she gets older, and I have to trust that God will help me show her right and wrong.

Anyone remember Scott Robbins? I used to be friends with him man years ago, I hadn't had much contact with him over the last 7 or 8 years, and lo and behold, he betrayed the trust of dozens perhaps hundreds of people at Harrisburg Baptist Church by filming teens taking showers and such. Talk about a slap in the face! Would I ever trust Scott again? Not around my daughter, but if he truly wanted help and he trusted God completely, he could possibly be rehabilitated. But he would never be alone for 1 second around my child. I have to trust in my own instincts.

TF

[King Rat]

Rehabilitate them and trust them but just don't let them out to prey on children again. The punishment for molesting a child should be death. Rehabilitation is between them and God.

[Pontotocmom]

I guess that is me. Anyone in the world can trust a rehabilitated child molester, but it won't be me.
granny, I'll tell you a little story that is true and it is about someone here in Pontotoc. He went to prison, not for child molestation, but for arson, he got out and was sentenced to 2 years for buying a minor, from the mother. He went to treatment and was cured, so they said..... One of my sister-in-laws was his niece, she was having a sleep-over for her little girl and wanted my kids to come. I told her we would go to the party but my kids couldn't spend the night because her uncle was there. She told me ...again... about his rehab and he was a born again christian and he was safe. I told he might be safe but I wasn't going to test his "safeness" with my kids. She had the sleepover and nothing happened. About three months later she came home and her daughter was laying in the floor. Her uncle had raped her. She was bleeding, she was torn, she didn't understand what happened. I was in the emergency room when they examined her and took samples of seman not just from the front but from the back too. An adult shouldn't have to go thru what she did. She was 7 years old. And they didn't press charges either... they made a deal for him to move counties and he has. My niece is 19 now and she remembers everyday about the day she became a sex victim. So no it is hardly likely I'll ever trust some sorry child molester. And you can bet if my sister-in-law will never trust someone who has been rehabilitated and born again christian either one.