Doomsday

[King Rat]

For the past couple of days I've listened to the growing behive of talk (except in the mainstream media, of course) over the recent threat of WMD (considered to be a nuke) reportedly smuggled into our country, via the Mexican border, by Bin Laden's thugs. All Muslims have been served notice by Bin Laden to get out of the US. When? Whenever they decide to do it, according to the Pakastani reporter with close ties to Bin Laden who broke the story. Supposedly they have everything in place and can destroy New York and Washington D.C. at their leisure.

Today Senate Majority Leader Bill "man without a spine - or a clue" Frist announced that the Mexican border MUST be secured. Funny he should think so since it was mainly the senate that blocked funding for the 700 mile fence they approved this summer.

Is it too late? Do you think the threat is real?

For the sake of discussion, let's suppose the threat is real and terrorists set off nukes in those two cities. How do you think it would change life as we know it?

Imagine a nuke going off in DC while congress is in session and the President and Vice President are in town. Our federal government would cease to exist. Chaos would ensue but to what degree?

Now imagine the same thing happening to NY. Would our economy collapse? Would the flow of goods, specifically food, medicine, and fuel be disrupted? If so, for how long and to what extent?

I'm not an alarmist nor am I suggesting this is going to happen. My shelves at home aren't stocked with canned goods and bottled water and I don't have a half dozen drums of gasoline in the shed. So I guess I would be unprepared.

But it would be interesting to discuss this. Wouldn't it?

[Crimson]

If either of those places got nuked it would have a drastic effect on our goverment... though I'm fairly certain there are 'shadow goverments' in place to take over the instant something like that were to happen. Norad, for example. And I'm sure that's not the only one. It would be a devistating blow, for sure... and it would likely be the beginning of WW3. If we get nuked we'll retaliate with nukes. Hell, everyone would pull out their nuclear weapons and the eart would probably be reduced to desert.

I remember reading a page one time about a time travellor named John Titor. This kind of reminds me of his story... though his story said it was that the US Citizens rebelled against the goverment.

[rutrow]

Well, if it does happen, then the blame can be placed squarely upon the shoulder of the government. If America was in such a threat, wouldn't it be feasible to close the borders and put the National Guard on the borders? The American people have been screaming for years about the open borders and what do they do? Send our National Guard overseas and leave the borders wide open. Muslim extremists are wanting to take down America, but our borders are wide open. Does this make sense? Not to me.

Tommy Thompson said a few years ago that if America ever sustained another attack like that of 9/11, then the constitution would be suspended and Martial Law would take over. If that ever happens, we can kiss our liberty goodbye for they will never reinstate them.

What is Tommy Thompson doing now? He resigned working for this administration and is traveling the country promoting the Verichip and how "good it is to be injected with this wonderful little thing". (sic) Looks like a bigger agenda to me.

[King Rat]

What I am after here, though, is not where the blame would lie but what the real day-to-day effect would be on you and me and the guy down the street.

I don't know enough about the power grid to know whether or not we, here in MS, would still have electricity. I have a deep well so without electricity I have no water.

Would our grocery store shelves go bare? NY is so important to our economy, so many decisions are made there, that I think we would see at least a temporary shortage of everything.

The idea about a shadow government is interesting and I would hope there is such a plan in place but after Katrina one has to wonder. And, no, I don't think our government learned a single thing or improved anything since Katrina. The very nature of the federal goverment prevents such a thing. But assuming there was a shadow government, would the nation accept it? Would our dollars be worthless? After all, the only reason our government and our economy survives is because the masses have confidence in those things.

[rutrow]

I posted the blame as a forethought because since attacks on the people have happened at least twice, Oklahoma city and NY, you would think that the government would do all that they can do to protect. However, it does not appear that way, by looking at the border situation. What do you think marshall law would do to the economy? They say that the average grocery store has only about a 3 day supply of food at best in normal use. We all know how fast that goes when the people think we may get 2 inches of snow. ;D

Assuming that there is a shadow government, it cannot be a good thing if it has to be "a shadow" and the people do not know a clear plan in place, then emerges this "shadow" thing. We should not accept the path this government is on, much less something that comes out of the shadows.

[Crimson]

I agree. Our goverment has gone down paths that it should not have. It has become to concerned with foreign welfare. I often find myself asking... why do we focus on 'them' when we have much the same problem here ourselves? Why do we send them aid when that money could be used to help people /here/? We've become the worlds 'big brother'. I say it's time they started taking care of themselves and we focus on us.

[King Rat]

Here's another angle: An atomic blast that wipes out NYC would also wipe out almost ALL media coverage other than local newspapers (which get their news from wires services). Virtually all non-Hollywood media is based in NYC.

So we could be looking at a mass of people who know a terrible thing has happened but don't know the details. Panic would likely set in quickly. A run on grocery stores and Wal-mart would be a certainty (look what happens at the mere forecast of snow in the south).

Would even a shadow government be able to get things under control? Undoubtedly the military would be called up to keep/restore order as much as possible but even that would scare an already panicked population. A population which, by the way, is armed to the teeth (as it should be).

[momof3]

I'm kinda feeling the urge to go and get milk and bread!!!