Good Muslim=Good American?

[TF Admin]

I was listening to G Gordon Liddy's show today, and he asked the question... "Can a Good Muslim also be a Good American?"

"Good Muslim" means someone who follows the teachings of the Koran faithfully. Let's hear what you think....

TF

[calliope]

In my opinion, a good Muslim cannot be a good American. America is supposed to be a melting pot, with all the various ingredients (races, religions, creeds, etc.) tossed in, with something savory resulting from the mix. At the very least, America should be a tossed salad, with all those various ingredients co-existing, if not melding into one cohesive entree.

A Muslim who follows the Koran strictly, however, is instructed to turn that melting pot or salad bowl into white rice: lots of grains that look and act almost exactly alike, and where anything non-rice (e.g., a bean) stands out dramatically. The strict Muslim rice grain then must root out that bean/infidel and turn it into a burrito. But that's just not kosher in a country full of beans (i.e., America).

Food metaphors aside, the reality is Islam calls for ONE religion, and it ain't Presbyterianism. One is either a Muslim or an infidel. If the former, praise Allah. If the latter, off with your head. Islam's goal is to perpetuate itself until there is nothing BUT Islam. There is no religious tolerance. And that's a philosophy that runs counter to what our country is about, thank GOD.

Not every Muslim is a militant, just as not every Presbyterian goes to church every Sunday. But that doesn't mean that said Muslim/Presbyterian doesn't believe the party line anyway.

To me, that's the really scary thing. There are quite a few folks who have managed to co-exist in America so far, but what happens when they have a come-to-Allah meeting and decide it's time to get serious about religion?

[King Rat]

Very well said, Calliope.

[King Rat]

Just read this: The US Marine Corp is building a Muslim Cener in VA for Muslim marines and civilians to go worship. The article said there are estimtated to be 426 Muslim marines.

Is that a good idea? Not necessarily the center, but the very idea of allowing Muslims to integrate our military? I wonder how many of them are fighting in Iraq and how many of them have helped the enemy.

It boils down to the misconception that Islam is not the root of the problem.

[granny2young]

some scary read for sure.

[TF Admin]

cpurdon said:

Just read this: The US Marine Corp is building a Muslim Cener in VA for Muslim marines and civilians to go worship. The article said there are estimtated to be 426 Muslim marines.

Is that a good idea? Not necessarily the center, but the very idea of allowing Muslims to integrate our military? I wonder how many of them are fighting in Iraq and how many of them have helped the enemy.

It boils down to the misconception that Islam is not the root of the problem.

Not all Christians follow the tenants of the Bible, and I'm sure not all Muslims follow the tenants of the Koran. But whereas the very heart of the Christian faith is peace, love, and forgiveness, the same cannot be said of the Muslim faith. I am only one third through the Koran, and I find it very disturbing. I think all Americans need to read this to fully understand what is going on, and why we need to keep absolute vigilance against those that would attack us. Their is no doubt in my mind that we are faced with a Nazi-like ideology.

In America, you see churches, synagogues, temples, and mosques. All faiths are welcome. In Saudi Arabia, you will not find anything other than Mosques, you will not find Bibles, and you will not find ANY preachers standing on the street corner saying "Jesus Saves". The bible and all practicing forms of Western Religion are BANNED by the Arabian State.

The US has a separation of Church and State, although our founding fathers, would be surprised as to how we turned that little phrase around, but in Saudi Arabia, their is no such separation PERIOD. The two are one, and they believe they will conquer Western Society through fear and domination by terrorist groups.

Here's a couple of choice quotes from the Koran:

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship will become one of their number. Allah does not guide the wrongdoers." - Sura 5:51

"They worship their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah, the son of Mary, as gods besides Allah, though they were ordered to serve one God only. There is no God but Him." - Sura 9:30

"They denied the truth and uttered a monstrous falsehood against Mary. They declared: 'We have put to death the Messiah Jesus the son of Mary, the apostle of Allah.' They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but they thought they did.

Those that disagreed about him were in doubt concerning his death, for what they knew about it was sheer conjecture; they were not sure that they had slain him. Allah lifted him up to his presence; He is mighty and wise. There is none among the People of the Book but will believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them." - Sura 4:154-159

TF

[King Rat]

I haven't yet seen the details but just heard a news report on the radio that Jimmy Carter is in London running his mouth against the US again. This time he, according to the report, also blasted Tony Blair.

How did this disgraceful man ever become a US president?

[King Rat]

Should the Pope apologize for his remarks last week about Mohommad bringing nothing but violence to the Islamic faith? It is true, you know, but should he have said it?

YES! We should all be saying it!

Why is it okay for Muslims to say, "We are going to kill all non-Muslims" but it is NOT ok for us to say "Muslims want to kill us because we aren't Muslim"?

Political correctness will be our downfall.

[King Rat]

Last month Minnesota voters elected the Nation's first Muslim to the US Congress. Now the congressman-elect is going around speaking to radical muslim groups and appears to have ties to some of those anti-American groups.

Here is a snipped from WorldNetDaily:

Rep.-elect Keith (Hakim-Mohammed) Ellison, D-Minn., has drawn fire for asking to take the constitutional oath on the Quran rather than the Bible at a swearing-in ceremony next month.

The Constitution specifies that members of Congress shall be bound by an oath to support the constitutional law of the land. In the oath, Ellison will be required to swear to "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ... without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion."

Do you think Ellison should be allowed to substitute the quran for the Bible when taking his oath? Should "allah" be substituted for "God"?

[granny2young]

absolutely not